Lot # : 172 - Elgin, assembly department foreman's watch, 64J
Live Webcast Auction
Watch
High Bid: 7,200.00 USD
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Date(s)
9/12/2024 - 10/10/2024
Bidding Notice:
No Reserves. No Buyer's Premium. No Sales Tax. No online bidding fees. A shipping charge will be added to all invoices. Bidding is open now! NOTICE: IF YOU WISH TO BID $10,000 OR MORE ON A SINGLE LOT, PLEASE CONTACT US NO LATER THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE THE AUCTION TO GET PRE-APPROVED TO DO SO. All descriptions are guaranteed with a 10-day return privilege for misrepresentation or errors. Live ... Show More
Information
| Lot # | 172 |
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| Estimate | 15,000.00 - 25,000.00 USD |
| Group - Category | Jewelry, Watches & Gemstones - Watches - Pocket Watches |
| Lead | Elgin, assembly department foreman's watch, 64J |
| Description |
APW - Elgin, personal watch of Elgin Watch Co. assembling department foreman Frank M. Wills, unique highly engraved and ornamented top grade mvt with winding indicator, 64 jewel (31 jewels are functional or semi-functional, 33 jewels are entirely cosmetic), 18S, gold-filled OF display recase, cream colored enamel triple-sunk dial with all markings in royal blue, hour and minute hands with inset jewels, seconds-hand with a jewel set over its hub, fully capped lever escapement, diamond cap jeweling to balance, escapement, and train, jeweled barrel arbor with blue sapphire cap jewel, cabochon rubies set around winding wheel perimeters, cosmetic cap jeweling over plate screws and balance cock screw, several additional purely cosmetic jewels including one set within counterpoise of lever, ornately engraved and pierced gilt plates and balance cock, no visible serial number. A truly unique and mind blowing piece with a movement aesthetic that is worlds apart from anything we have ever encountered among American horology. Some of the delightfully over-the-top detail that this cataloger particularly appreciates are the transparent red ruby cabochon "windows" through the ratchet wheel, the presence of a red ruby set within the counterpoise of the lever that skips back and forth as the watch runs, and the presence of magnificent ornate engraving detail to the visible portion of the dial plate below the train wheels. Frank M. Wills (1857-1928) was foreman of Elgin Watch Co.'s assembling department, and please see our final photo for an entry listing this position that is found in the December 4th, 1908 issue of the periodical Weekly Rogue River Courier of Grant's Pass, Oregon. The present watch represents the ultimate "show off" piece for an individual in Wills' position to demonstrate the finish and artistry that his firm was capable of producing.
CONDITION: Mvt: Running, good winding indicator function, nearly mint cosmetic mvt condition overall, bright lustrous surfaces, perimeter of winding wheel with a spot of oxide in space between two of the cabochon rubies and a few small bits of oxide to teeth, one cosmetic jewel on train bridge is a replacement with brass setting; dial with outer chapter hl above winding indicator register, below seconds-register, hl to right side of winding indicator register, tiny flakes at center of winding indicator register; excellent hands, seconds-hand plum colored, other hands are blue; case shows light wear, no dents or dings, some areas of wear to brass to bezels, band, and pendant; tight bow, crown shows medium wear; good glass crystals.
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Auction Information
| Name | Featured Auction w/LIVE CLOSE: Horology, Jewelry, & Coins |
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| Auctioneer |
Jones and Horan Auction Team
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| Type | Live Webcast Auction |
| Date(s) | 9/12/2024 - 10/10/2024 |
| Auction Date/Time Info |
Online pre-bidding opens on Thursday, September 12. Actual auction event takes place on Thursday, October 10 with live close by an auctioneer beginning at 11 am EST. Live online bidding is also available at that time. You may also arrange telephone* bids by Tuesday, October 8 (*Phone bids have limited availability, first come first served.) Phone bidding available only on lots 25-50 and 115-186. No in-person bidders will be in attendance.
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| Preview Date/Time | Please contact us if you need more information. In person preview by appointment at our offices from now through Tuesday, October 8. |
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| Description |
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Terms and Conditions
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Key to abbreviations: "APW" = American pocket watch | "cal" = caliber | "ct" = carat weight | "ctw" = total carat weight for multiple stones | "DS" = double sunk (for dials) | "dwt" = pennyweight (20 per ounce troy) | "EPW" = European pocket watch | "g" = gram (31.1 per troy ounce) | "GJS" = gold jewel setting(s) | "HC" = hunting case | "hl" = hairline | "hls" = hairlines | "HS" = hairspring | "J" = jewel(s) | "K" = karat of gold quality | "KW" = key-wind | "KWKS" = key-wind key-set | "LS" = lever set | "mm" = millimeter | "mvt" = movement | "NOS" = new old stock | "NR" = not running | "OF" = open face | "PW" = pocket watch | "QS" = quick set | "ref" = reference | "RR" = railroad | "S" = size | "s#" = serial number | "SS" = single-sunk (for dials) | "SW-LS" = stem-wind lever-set | "SW-SS" = stem-wind stem-set | "WW" = wristwatch
"Running" only means that the balance and escapement are performing in healthy fashion and without apparent defect, but does not guarantee timekeeping or warrantee future performance; unless otherwise noted, our timepieces are not serviced by us, and we do not know when they were last serviced from our sources. We do our best to indicate any potential problems or needs for repair.
The Jones & Horan plain English grading system follows this general order from top to bottom for mvts, component parts, metal dials, hands and cases: Mint | Near Mint | Excellent | Fine (the average grade for most used, running watches) | Fair | Poor. We no longer use "good" as a grade as it can be misleading, so it only applies to function (see below). We then describe any salient defects that should be called to the attention of the potential buyer.
With respect to wear, we also use the following terms in order: No wear | Hardly any wear | Very little wear | Little wear | Very light wear | Light wear | Medium wear | Ample wear | Substantial or abundant wear | Worn out. These general terms are used in combination with precise descriptions of defects for further elaboration where needed.
Enamel dials are not necessarily graded, but called "flawless" when free of cracks, chips or hairlines, which are structural and always noted. Surface defects such as scratches, discoloration or graphical defects may be present on a perfect dial, and are noted separately.
The term, "Good," is only used alone to indicate that the watch or its function is doing what it should be doing, as in "good running order, good repeat function and tone, good chronograph and date functions," etc. These functions are not rated or graded. "Good crystal" means without meaningful defect, as does "Good dial."
Bid Increments
Your bid must adhere to the bid increment schedule.
| Bid Amount | Bid Increment |
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| 0.00 - 199.00 | 10.00 USD |
| 199.01 - 499.00 | 25.00 USD |
| 499.01 - 999.00 | 50.00 USD |
| 999.01 - 4,999.00 | 100.00 USD |
| 4,999.01 - 9,999.00 | 200.00 USD |
| 9,999.01 - 19,999.00 | 500.00 USD |
| 19,999.01 - 49,999.00 | 1,000.00 USD |
| 49,999.01 - 9,999,999.99 | 5,000.00 USD |
Payment Information
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| Buyer Premium | NO Buyer's Premium and NO Reserves |
| Payment Terms |
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